This week the federal government will release details of a proposed flood levy for middle to high income earners to assist the victims of flooding across Australia.
Are you in favour of paying a Flood Levy?
No
Yes
I am definitely in favour of a Flood Levy. I have already given to the Flood appeal but the amount of money needed to rebuild will be enormous. This is one time I'm happy to pay a tax. The opposition are using it as an opportunity to score political points saying the government should scrap the Broadband scheme to pay for the rebuilding of communities, But I think doing that would make this an even bigger disaster. This time we need to share the load.
I was in Queensland last week. The destruction up there is so much more than you can see in photos and video. This Levy is a must, we can't have a situation like in New Orleans in the States where the place has become a partial ghost town with no government support to rebuild the city.
Cut back the money given to overseas countries instead.
Don't let people re build in flood prone areas in Brisbane. Other areas prone to flooding must re built on stilts.
I'm more than happy to pay it. Heck we had levies galore under the previous regime. I must admit, the gun-buy-back one really rankled, but this one I'm fine with.
yes a one off levy is very reasonable considering the enormous amount of damage and hardship caused to our fellow australians. We need to help them to get back on their feet as quickly as possible after all this is going to affect all of us australians. Iam a natralised Aussie from age 12 from the U.K I love everything Australian this is my home and I respect and love it to bits., iam very gratefull to be able to live here. We should all help out, im on a carers pension and im happy to give the levy. Happy Australia Day to all who love Australia for wednessday. nicky
I agree with a one off Levy, not a new tax over time. Given the way this government handled (threw away) the stimulus money I'm not confident that any Levy will be distributed effectively. One of payment that will build a fund to get the road to recovery started. I am happy with that... just the way it will be spent worries me
Stop some of the money being paid out as overseas aid, do away with the "Save the Murray" levy (god saved the Murray for us not Rann) then a new TAX, yes TAX, to assist our countrymen in Queensland might be a bit easier to swallow.
I don't mind helping out and giving a donation. In SA. we have been contributing to the save the Murray water level for about 4 years. The Federal Govt wants the community to help Queensland whilst the SA State Govt fraudulently takes money from South Australians through the Save the Murray levy. I think the SA State Govt should give the Save the Murray levey to Queensland on behalf of South Australians. The Murray doesn't need saving any more, but the SA State Gov't won't abolish the levy. Isn't this fraud?
Like others I have already donated, but will be more than happy to contribute further.
it all depends on how much, most people would be willing to give and many have already given to charities and the Queensland government. I heard that low income earners would be exempt from this levy, so who or how many are in the bracket that do have to pay, the total rebuild is going to be in the billions. So if the levy happened to be $5000 then how many would be willing to pay???
The rumour mill has it that those of us earning $60,000 to $70,000 and above will attract the levy. I would suggest that the most equitabe method of setting the contribution level would be to apply it as a % of earnings. A levy of 0.5% on a person earning $70.000pa would cost that person $350pa, or approximately a dollar a day. Not a huge impost surely.
Yes, in favour of a one-off pmt as already mentioned, but must be assured it doesn't go to general revenue. They certainly will need an enormous amt of assistance.
Even Lefty David Marr thinks a Levi ( TAX ) is not needed . Just put off bringing Labors Fiscal Stuffup , bringing us back into the Black by 2013 . Off a couple of years , therefore NO BIG NEW TAX ! . NotLoadedJeff (Wonder if Peter Costello could come back & Show Them How ? )
NO !!!!! Its not needed... How much more money do we have to pay to this blundering incompetant brainless govt. Liberals have it spot on, postpone the money pits the govt is already pouring money into and divert thost funds to the floods. ( not just QLD ) Certainly stop foreign aid for a year, plenty of wasted money there for NO return. NO a levy is NOT NEEDED. For christ sake how much more will we be stitched up for ???????
Oh pot, kettle, black...
Paula said: Oh pot, kettle, black...
I do not trust the Govt, to handle such a fund, look at the millions of dollars that cannot be accounted for which was pledge by the public to the Vic bush fires. We give too much money to other countries who never support as in a disaster, it is time we looked after our own first, so all the money, over 600m pledge to indonesia, should be held back for our own needs.
blooboy said: NO !!!!! Its not needed... How much more money do we have to pay to this blundering incompetant brainless govt. Liberals have it spot on, postpone the money pits the govt is already pouring money into and divert thost funds to the floods. ( not just QLD ) Certainly stop foreign aid for a year, plenty of wasted money there for NO return. NO a levy is NOT NEEDED. For christ sake how much more will we be stitched up for ???????
I really think this is one topic none of us can really objectively comment on until the costing of infrastructure repairs is known. I feel I could not support a levy that paid individuals affected monies to rebuild their private losses. On the other hand I may be willing to pay a levy if the costs of repairing the government infrastructure is so high it cannot be met within reasonable government budgetary constraint. One must be realistic and we need to look at the future impact if our deficit was to be unduly increased. Lots of things need to be transparent before support of a levy can be given. It certainly should not be politicised after all in hindsight how ridiculous was Howard’s gun buy back, not many criminals lined up and it cost our nation a packet for no real measurable gain. I would hope if a levy is introduced it is for the good of the nation and not for political advantage as with Howard.
One thing is for sure ,Howard never wasted as much money as the Rudd/Gillard combo. I think that is the main concern of most of the posters, To much waste of tax payers money over the last few years & now when we need it,Its been wasted
Good post Grant and good point Cob
I think it's a sad state of affairs when people are reluctant to commit themselves to giving monitory assistance because the government can't be trusted to manage that money. When a thief steals a collection tin from a fast food outlet he is, quite rightly, chased down and jailed. When the government dips their finger into monies collected as relief somehow it can be justified!
Paula said: I'm more than happy to pay it. Heck we had levies galore under the previous regime. I must admit, the gun-buy-back one really rankled, but this one I'm fine with.
Nobody has mentioned the elephant in the room, what will they do if it happens again next year? ? Brisbane flooded in 70, 74, 81, 89, 91, 02 & 11, when will they get the message that they built the city in the WRONG PLACE. They need to abandon this site & find a better place, past civilisations have done it, so why not QLD. Has anybody noticed that most of New Orleans ISN'T being rebuilt
Does anybody really believe that #1 it would be one off & #2 that it would go where it was intended, theis lot couldn't organize an orgy in a bawdy house
Scrap (or put on hold) the NBN and get QLD sorted out. Fix the basics first.
Chockylover said: The rumour mill has it that those of us earning $60,000 to $70,000 and above will attract the levy. I would suggest that the most equitabe method of setting the contribution level would be to apply it as a % of earnings. A levy of 0.5% on a person earning $70.000pa would cost that person $350pa, or approximately a dollar a day. Not a huge impost surely.
Grant, cob, and rob (try saying that 10 times with a mouth full of marbles!! Lol) great posts and good points. The money should go toward building gov instrastucture, not rebuilding private homes. That's what insurance is for. To be honest I don't know who's "rebuilding Queensland", the Comm government or the QLD government with this "levy money" if it gets introduced. And I'm not up to date on what the queensland governments handing of money is like, but if its anything like SA's i wouldnt pay a levy at all. Cost blowouts anyone?? The governement needs to shake up the insurance sector also, so this "you should of read the fine print" rubbish and therefore we arent paying out doesn't happen again. And for those who weren't insured at all, well I'm sorry, but tough. Thats the risk you run for not having insurance!!
Whyisitso said: I think it's a sad state of affairs when people are reluctant to commit themselves to giving monitory assistance because the government can't be trusted to manage that money.
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Is it going to be a "one off " payment or will it be on going?
fact is the levy is not needed its that simple The current govt has enough avenues to provide the monies from current general revenues. Unfortunately they are not that bright as to be able to manage that. through reckless spending and having absolutely no idea how to budget and manage taxes we seem to be in this predicament. The easiest solution is to bring out a tax, a tax that will make it all better. NOT !!!!!. One would actually think that a govt would be smart enough to have these infrastructures insured for this type of event. Yeh one would think Hey ?????? But they really are not that clever are they ?????? To rebuild in a natural disaster zone again and again always astonishes the pain people will put them selves through. Yes look at New Orleans. Look how many have their house blown away by a tornado only to rebuild and have it blown away again only to cry " why......why me " Yes the councils in many building zones have a lot to answer for over the years of allowing develpement in such flood zones. Its only half way through wet season and they have had no cyclones yet. What happens when there is a repeat or even worse ????????? It will happen and what will be the fallout from that. This is a wake up call Australia wide as to how our development is and what direction it must go. But nothing will happen to change. Too much money involved. To the fools who buy at Buckland park !!!!!!!!!!!
So if it floods again next year who will pay to fix it? ? ?
from AdelaideNow: +++THE federal government will impose a one-off flood levy of 0.5 per cent for middle-income earners, Prime Minister Julia Gillard says. More than $2.5 billion in spending cuts and more than $1 billion in infrastructure cuts also have been announced by the Federal Government to pay for the Queeensland flood effort. Addressing the National Press Club in Canberra today, Ms Gillard announced a swathe of cuts to programs and infrastructure projects to pay for the Queensland rebuild. The Prime Minister also announced a one-off levy which excludes low income earners. Taxpayers earning between $50,000 and $100,000 will pay 0.5 per cent levy on their income, while people on more than $100,000 will pay a 1 per cent levy. Ms Gillard said the levy would mean that someone earning $60,000 a year would pay less than a dollar a week, while someone on average annual adult full-time total earnings of $68,125 will pay $1.74 a week. +++ I hope someone saves those figures, because I am a bit wary of them. To arrive at those amounts per week means that they are excluding the first $50,000 of income but her exact words are "Taxpayers earning between $50,000 and $100,000 will pay 0.5 per cent levy on their income" - It will be interesting to see what the interpretation the tax office puts on the words "on their income" ???
Suggested you should've funeralled a couple of days ago Fred . Now you're going to be Taxed to Death anyway , PAINFULLY ! . Poor(nowhere near $50,000/Yr)Jeffers (so suffer you RichSods)
NAH!!! I don't pay taxes anymore !!!
ElizabethFred said: NAH!!! I don't pay taxes anymore !!!
Kochie stated this am that the FEDS have $5billion + in a fund that is NOT earmarked for anything! why is this not being used for assisting QLD and other flood ravaged areas? why is There no National Disaster Fund set up? many people wld have already made considerable contributions, as requested by the govt, and now will be taxed for more. They can't have it all ways. That said, I do not wish to detract from the fact that huge amts will be required .
What happened to the "Future Fund" that Peter Costello set up after the final sale of Telstra. Has this disgraceful government spent that already. No wonder Peter wants nothing to do with Australian politics any more.!!!
Remember how this mob managed the home insulation and the school upgrades? Here we go again! I wonder how much they're spend on electioneering before the next election.
Too true WIIS and FRED
ElizabethFred said: What happened to the "Future Fund" that Peter Costello set up after the final sale of Telstra. Has this disgraceful government spent that already. No wonder Peter wants nothing to do with Australian politics any more.!!!
I can not understand why the government would want to change the culture of Australia . The mateship , the egarness to help without the thought of any reward. Most queenslanders have done something already , wome will loose theire jobs , some families will loose their livelyhoods as a consiquense of these floods . Once you enter the word levy this brings a whole new meaning to our culture. some would call it double dipping , other are saying why do anything because work in kind means nothing we still have to pay as well , aothers are saying why bother we will be paying for it anyhow let the government take care of the clean up because they will sting us average people anyhow. Personally I can not understand How you could justify such exstravagence with the telstra broardband deal , when roads and infrastructure is is such great need now. its not right, especially when you have scraped the plans that were to see roads upgraded and other things . So i can not understand why you need to get it from the people as well . I personally would call that tripple dipping !! shame
While on the term "mateship", wasn't John Howard a regular user of this term and was condemned by the then opposition (second in charge Queen Joolia) and all the lefto press, but now that Queen Joolia has adopted it, how many times did she use it in her Australia Day speech, guess it is now the "buzz-word".
mareeandmaree said: I can not understand why the government would want to change the culture of Australia . The mateship , the egarness to help without the thought of any reward. Most queenslanders have done something already , wome will loose theire jobs , some families will loose their livelyhoods as a consiquense of these floods . Once you enter the word levy this brings a whole new meaning to our culture. some would call it double dipping , other are saying why do anything because work in kind means nothing we still have to pay as well , aothers are saying why bother we will be paying for it anyhow let the government take care of the clean up because they will sting us average people anyhow. Personally I can not understand How you could justify such exstravagence with the telstra broardband deal , when roads and infrastructure is is such great need now. its not right, especially when you have scraped the plans that were to see roads upgraded and other things . So i can not understand why you need to get it from the people as well . I personally would call that tripple dipping !! shame
Oh no Rob ! . SHOCK . HORROR . SURPRISE . Could our beloved President Obama be a Practical , Closet Liberal , after all ? . Suppose he had to learn something in 3 Yrs , unlike our foolish/incompetent ALP . VeryLibJeff
This will be the death of Gillard. Mark my words.
There have been so many kind hearted donations made by people and now the Government are going to tax us as well. This will be the end of spontaneous donations for sure.
I don't think so, by the time of the next "disaster' most will have forgotten it. And the tax, by the next election, they will have forgotten that as well.
Well. And heres the "flow on" affect (pardon the pun). Why dont they scrap the NBN or put that rediculous waste of money on hold?! Grrrr ............................ Among the programs cut are the O-Bahn City Access Project, which has had the remaining portion of its funding, or $4.625 million, withdrawn. The $61 million upgrade would have extended the service into the city centre by installing dedicated bus lanes along Hackney Rd and Grenfell and Currie streets. Acting State Transport Minister John Hill confirmed the project was now off the agenda. "We are obviously very disappointed with this decision, on behalf of the residents and commuters of the northeastern suburbs of Adelaide," Mr Hill said.
I don't mind paying BUT will we have to do it next year, or the next or when the next Lanina episode causeds another flood. Pay to have all the people on the flood plain shift or force them to build on stilts. And what about the poor people who were wiped at at Stockport in SA??????
Stockport was only a ripple in the ocean - not newsworthy enough. Now Qld and Vic - "the media can bleed it for all it's worth"!!!!!!! I can remember when I and about 25 others were retrenched when our factory closed down (the most profitable factory in Aust, but we were taking all the work from the Vic factory, so they closed us to try to make the Vic factory profitable). Anyway, not a murmur in the press, radio or even the local messenger press. BUT, shut Mitsubishi or reduce a shift a Holdens, and the government are falling over themselves to throw money at them!!!!!
From AdelaideNow +++FURIOUS Labor MPs have turned on Prime Minister Julia Gillard over the controversial $1.8 billion flood tax, labelling it one of the "dumbest decisions" by a federal government. NSW Premier Kristina Keneally publicly criticised the levy, calling for western Sydney to be spared its full effects, reported The Daily Telegraph. As Ms Gillard embarked on a publicity offensive to sell the $5.6 billion flood rescue package, senior Labor figures were shaking their heads at the lack of consultation with Cabinet. +++ Now, Where have we heard that all before - Cob, help me out here, my memory is failing
I've got no qualms at all about supporting our fellow Aussies in Queensland and have made my own contribution to a flood victims fund, I do however object to being dictated to by a government that I wouldn't trust with my bus fare and which has an atrocious record when it comes to managing finances. For them to demand that we pay another tax to compensate for their mismanagement is ludicrous. I don't remember there being any tax imposed following hurricane Tracy, Ash Wednesday or the Victorian bushfires so what's the difference now?
I don't remember there being any tax imposed following hurricane Tracy, Ash Wednesday or the Victorian bushfires so what's the difference now? .......................from W-o I think the difference is that the damage caused to infrastructure by the floods is so much greater than that caused by either cyclone or fire. After both these events, much of the infrastructure is undamaged - messed up by debris etc of course, but essentially undamaged. I'm speaking here of such things as roads, bridges, railways etc. Also, insurance companies normally cover fire and storm damage, but wheedle their way out of paying out for flood damage except within strict parameters. Following the cyclone in Darwin, the city was virtually evacuated. I remember well the battered cars containing families with their dogs and few remaining possessions heading through Adelaide to the camping grounds which were opened for them at Largs. Other Aust cities had the same thing happen. Darwin was eventually rebuilt using modern building methods capable of withstanding cyclones much better than could the old buildings which were destroyed. Insurance paid for the greater majority of this. I would think that the damage to private property in the bushfires would have been covered by insurance.
So Chocky, is THIS government going to learn anything from the previous mishaps, AND change the infrastucture so that it escapes any future mishap. Bearing in mind that THIS government believes in Climate Change and their future predictions, are they going to build all the roads and infrastructure well above the predicted flood levels, ensure no buildings are replaced on the same footing (including all the high rises), but are built elswhere or on stilts to a standard able to withsatand future flooding. IF I can be assurred of that, then I would have no problem with the government putting the money in to do it, BUT, if they are going to ignore their own advice, then damn them. So far, there is no indication that they have learn anything from this disaster - have you heard anything??
What about the massive amt in the slush fund that has not been allocated? as per Kochie.... Andrew reimer raised an interesting point about aussies may be virtually stepping up because so many insurance companies have been so very tricky in this instance and are thus not paying up, so we foot more of the bill. What do u think?
@ Freddy............I haven't the faintest idea what this government is going to do - I don't even know which government you're talking about, but since the Qlnd Govt and the Federal Govt are both Labor, I suppose since you hate them simply because they are Labor, then you can take your pick. Now - I wonder if I'll get a response this time or will you just run away and hide again when the question is too difficult.......................wait for it....here's the question........................Why ask me about what the govt - any govt - is going to do . You seem fixated on believing that I am in some way connected. PS Freddy - maybe if you read my post in context, you'll see I was responding only to the last (quoted) part of W-o's post where he asked what was the difference between several historic events and the current flood situation. As usual though you choose to see what you want to see.
I really think that there has to be serious future thinking. Many many buildings have been built in areas that prove to be flood prone etc etc (historically). Even in Adelaide the (I think) 3rd and 4th creek saga some yrs ago caused damage, and remember the Glenelg floods. Not enough thought goes into these matters. it's all about the almighty $
Bring it on! The quicker the better. We need to get the infrastructure rebuilt so that lives can return to normal.
Yeah bring it on then the bloody idiots in Canberra can squander our money on another massive cock-up! Hey why don't they get all the illegal immigrants out of their camps to do some rebuilding, they could even invite more boat loads of them to set sail for Darwin - they could be ferried down to Brisbane cheap enough. Better still, out source the rebuilding jobs to some Chinese company employing cheap labour thus saving us millions!
Hey why don't they get all the illegal immigrants out of their camps to do some rebuilding, they could even invite more boat loads of them to set sail for Darwin - they could be ferried down to Brisbane cheap enough...............by W-o I hope that was said tongue in cheek. Obviously if they are illegal immigrants, the last thing you'd want to do is let them loose to work as you suggest. How long do you think it would take them to disappear into the community ???
Another good way the government could make up the money is cut back on internation aid. Charity starts at home? Very valid points! goodinnings.wordpress.com/ In 2010-2011 the Australian Government is spending almost $4.4 billion on overseas development assistance. The top eight countries for Australia Government aid in 2010-2011 in millions of dollars: Indonesia $458.7
 Papua New Guinea $457.2
 Solomon Islands $225.7 
Afghanistan $123.1 
Vietnam $119.8
 Philippines $118.1
 East Timor $102.7
 Cambodia $64.2 How about we say to these countries “look we have a crisis on our hands, what say for one year only we cut your aid by 30-40%.” All things being equal, after twelve months our generous foreign aid will then return to established levels. Problem is all our politicians are looking towards the next election not what’s best for Australia.
Yes to the levy and no to all the other comments regarding political bias. Also iff you guys think this will be a once off not a chance . With the climate throwing more and more extreme events at us probably only the tip of the iceberg. Also what does it take to think we are playing with the planets climate . Wake up people before you too are flooded with extreme weather.
NO. Gillards team have shown over & over again ,they just can not be trusted . As far as the man made climate change crap goes,i do wish these alarmists would grow up ,in fact go away.The world has allways had events like these,Its called the weather .
cob115 said As far as the man made climate change crap goes,i do wish these alarmists would grow up ,in fact go away.The world has allways had events like these,Its called the weather . As far as climate denier crap goes this is rich. What will it take cob? Being sucked up a twister. Dont u believe 90% of the worlds climatologists.Jupiter has weather . People such as yourself maybe should go there.
What about the River Murray levy? what was that used for and why are we still paying it?
watson said: cob115 said As far as the man made climate change crap goes,i do wish these alarmists would grow up ,in fact go away.The world has allways had events like these,Its called the weather . As far as climate denier crap goes this is rich. What will it take cob? Being sucked up a twister. Dont u believe 90% of the worlds climatologists.Jupiter has weather . People such as yourself maybe should go there.
Hey Freddy - Are you going to answer my question?? Or is it that, like all the other times you've been challenged by someone, you don't have the courage of your convictions?
Chockylover said: @ Freddy............I haven't the faintest idea what this government is going to do - I don't even know which government you're talking about, but since the Qlnd Govt and the Federal Govt are both Labor, I suppose since you hate them simply because they are Labor, then you can take your pick. Now - I wonder if I'll get a response this time or will you just run away and hide again when the question is too difficult.......................wait for it....here's the question........................Why ask me about what the govt - any govt - is going to do . You seem fixated on believing that I am in some way connected. PS Freddy - maybe if you read my post in context, you'll see I was responding only to the last (quoted) part of W-o's post where he asked what was the difference between several historic events and the current flood situation. As usual though you choose to see what you want to see.
Now, can you give your opinion on the view I expressed and do you have any possible solutions to the problem of governments leaning NOTHING from history ?
Sorry, Chocky, I thought you to be a clued up person, not some brain washed social apologist - my mistake. does that satisfy your question?..from Freddy. Heh Heh - he still doesn't get it folks. Still can't answer, so deflect it again eh Freddy?? Now, I'm not the sort of person you can bully. (Name calling and disparaging comments without foundation is a form of bullying). Bullies are inately cowards and usually not worth bothering with other than to smack them down and put them in their place. As I said previously, you don't have the courage of your convictions, so you might as well just open your mouth and let your belly rumble and post that here. It would probably make more sense than your current offerings. Freddy........................beware. I live by the code of Hammurabi, except I tend to take it to extremes. I'm not happy with one when it comes to bullies.
ElizabethFred said: Now, can you give your opinion on the view I expressed and do you have any possible solutions to the problem of governments leaning NOTHING from history ?
ElizabethFred said: Chockylover said: @ Freddy ...............wait for it....here's the question........................Why ask me about what the govt - any govt - is going to do . Sorry, Chocky, I thought you to be a clued up person, not some brain washed social apologist - my mistake. does that satisfy your question? You ask me "why ask me" - I answer because "I think you are a clued up person" So if I didn't write you a load of gobbledegook or give you a politicians answer, I answered in as short and concise a manner as I felt possible. by ElizabethFred (31/01/2011)
ElizabethFred said:
Chockylover said: @ Freddy ...............wait for it....here's the question........................Why ask me about what the govt - any govt - is going to do . Sorry, Chocky, I thought you to be a clued up person, not some brain washed social apologist - my mistake. does that satisfy your question?
Chockylover said: Freddy........................beware. I live by the code of Hammurabi, except I tend to take it to extremes. I'm not happy with one when it comes to bullies.
Can't even get that right eh Freddy?? Try 'an eye for an eye' - that way my quote of "I'm not happy with one when it comes to bullies" makes sense. Once again you see what you want to see, and like all bullies, when challenged, you go running off to 'mummy' (sorry JB - no offense meant!)
Freddy........................beware. I live by the code of Hammurabi, except I tend to take it to extremes. I'm not happy with one when it comes to bullies.
Chocky7, YOU are the one who continually tells me to research everything. I just did what you said and googled it. The site I found was www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM which seemed pretty genuine although I must confess I did not read all 282 laws in the code. Methinks, before you use these big long or obscure words, you do the necessary research yourself - haven't we been through this before. AND, wipe that egg of you face
Thanks Rob52.I'm flattered to know that you think I'm in power (over what I don't know). Since it's not the case Rob, I have no need to be careful.
ElizabethFred said: Chocky7, YOU are the one who continually tells me to research everything. I just did what you said and googled it. The site I found was www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM which seemed pretty genuine although I must confess I did not read all 282 laws in the code. Methinks, before you use these big long or obscure words, you do the necessary research yourself - haven't we been through this before. AND, wipe that egg of you face
Chockylover said: Thanks Rob52.I'm flattered to know that you think I'm in power (over what I don't know). Since it's not the case Rob, I have no need to be careful.
Good riposte Rob, and you're right - he'd have to attack from the rear to have any chance
Well, it took some researching but hear is law 196 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++ If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out. [ An eye for an eye ] ++ But having gone through all the laws up til then, I can now see where "Santo" gets his ideas from - It seems back in those days, if you sneeze in the wrong way you were put to death - no wonder their mortalitity rate was so low. I appreciate this has gone a bit off topic, but when I am THREATENED I like to know what I am going to die for or get my good eye poked out for???
Oh dear.....this is sad
ElizabethFred said: Well, it took some researching but hear is law 196 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ++ If a man put out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out. [ An eye for an eye ] ++ But having gone through all the laws up til then, I can now see where "Santo" gets his ideas from - It seems back in those days, if you sneeze in the wrong way you were put to death - no wonder their mortalitity rate was so low. I appreciate this has gone a bit off topic, but when I am THREATENED I like to know what I am going to die for or get my good eye poked out for???
I'm staying off of this thread for awhile as personal insults are UNCALLED FOR!
Thanks for that Chocky, as I said I don't know all these big words, But from now on when you make one of you usual crappy statements, I will know that it is "hyperbole".
ElizabethFred said: Thanks for that Chocky, as I said I don't know all these big words, But from now on when you make one of you usual crappy statements, I will know that it is "hyperbole".
GUYS, can we pls have a little sanity here. We're all entitled to our opinions and won't ever agree on every topic.
Having an opinion is one thing, but to attack others is wrong, totally wrong, so, simmer down!
pollywaffleson said: Having an opinion is one thing, but to attack others is wrong, totally wrong, so, simmer down!
Don't they BUFF? I never ate them. Violet crumbles and Choo Choo bars were good though. The honeycomb back then was nicer...went all gooey
Probably why the changed them. People without good taste probably complained about the gooeyness.
Crikey looks like I need to bring the hoover out of retirement. I've read through the arguments... while chocky and Fred aren't being particularly nice to each other I don't think it needs to be deleted yet. Two stubborn people neither willing to back down thats fine... have your opinions just don't let it disintegrate into an immature name calling argument. It just makes more work for me and it's wasted energy fo you
What the hell happened with our local "save the murray" levy. I bet my crown that that money hasn't been pumped into "saving the murray" rather it's been filtered off into other state government projects. That's the same mentality people have regarding this levy. They don't trust the government to properly manage this money responsibily. And that's sad that people don't have faith in the people running the damn country! However, we have every reason it be worried!! Time and time again they pi$$ money up the wall!
Well heres my 2cents ,Chocky is being a left wing ning nong Big time,Keep to the facts please,Not made up facts to suit your rant . Spot on TBK,just what the hells has happened with all the cash from the Save the murry crap, Oh thats right more labor selfish fat cats wanting to have our money : (
I think the Save the Murray levy goes to pay the salary of the boffoons who administer it.
I don't agree with anything Julia Gillard wants!
If it goes to help those having difficulties and of course rebuilding then I am ok with paying it. I do hope that the money is used quickly and promptly and efficiently.
Not made up facts to suit your rant .....from Cob Thanks Cob - I appreciate your advice, but I'm not sure what you mean by facts I've made up. perhaps you could detail them here? Here are some actual facts for you. I am self employed. I pay enough in tax each year to pay for roughly 10 age pensions. I don't complain, since the more money I make, the more I have to pay tax. I'm fortunate. My business is successful. I built it up over many years, often working as many as 70 hours a week in the early days. My son now runs the company, with myself contributing perhaps 15 - 20 hours a week. Left wing?? Right wing??...................neither. I don't give a fig who is in govt at any time. I've said it somewhere else - a change in govt is simply a change of clowns in the same circus. Where I can I help my fellow man - I don't care what their religion, race or whatever - I do so. What I do detest is bullies, and those who try to intimidate others with ill conceived accusations which come from no basis in fact. I invited you earlier in this post to detail the facts I've made up. Don't bother. I find it tiresome having to respond to immature, myopic people such as yourself and Freddy. The one thing I will say, is that if you both are an example of the intelligence or integrity of supporters of the Liberal Party, then God help them. I've had my fun here - it's been an amusing distraction from the more important things in life. I wish you all (well most of you)
Fred open the door, here's another one.
Who will pay if it happens again in 2012 or 2013, after all the the greens reckon the end is nigh due to climate change, it could be a yearly event
A caller to Peter Godfrey ask a good question, "How much of the infrastructure that this new tax would supposedly be paying for was actually in need of repair before the floods?" Could we, via this tax, be paying for the Queensland government's mismanagement of funds? It seems our governments aren't trusted anywhere.
So true my latenight friend! I think with everything going on it's time people power stood up and made a stand. What if the whole of Australia went on strike? Surely all employers couldn't sack everyone. Imagine if the country stopped for a week. Surely if NO-ONE worked for a week it would send the economy into turmoil, plus we can all live the Australian dream at the same time!! Lol but then if the economy went into turmoil who would have to fit the bill? Us! Seems we are stuffed either way lol
I am now a single mother of 3 teenage boys , which anyone who knows about raising young men this is not cheap by any means . I am working just enough hours to make enough money so I don't need to claim any support through newstart allowance. Maybe $21000 maximum. I would happily pay $1 a day for a year , to help the flooded town /cities be rebuilt. You never know when we might need the same assistance . If i had anything spare to send myself I would , but if the government came out and said right everyone who is employed will receive a quarterly bill for the next year and gave a guarantee that this is all it will be then i would be happy with that also. Think how many people are employed......Yes i have heard all the excuses as to why people cant , I was taught there is no such word as cant. You can give up your magazines your weekly gambling allowance part of your weekly drinking allowances think about things we all buy and can live without maybe its something as simple as $7 worth of lollies or soft drink something that is not going to hurt one single person to give up , in fact would be quite good for all of us. If someone like myself can manage so can everyone else.
Great points JustMary :-) and welcome to the exciting part of the DMG Radio forum, the 5AA one! ;-) I don't think anyone here is saying "stuff those queenslanders, they can fend for themselves". As we have seen through the QLD Premiers flood appeal, people are more than willing to help out others. Last I saw it was at $64 million dollars. The thing people are against is being forced to give more money to the government who are unable to manage money responsibly. Rather than tightening up the spending of money they are already have, they are taking the lazy option out and slapping on a levy.
Chockylover said: Thanks Cob - I appreciate your advice, *Im allways happy to help a friend in need choocky : ) Here are some actual facts for you. I am self employed. I pay enough in tax each year to pay for roughly 10 age pensions. *Il give you a medal : ) ,You need one for not being upset about how much tax the greedy selfish labor partry are ripping out o your pocket & then wasteing on crap,Unless your one of those advisers or sit on some government board pretending your important I don't give a fig who is in govt at any time. I've said it somewhere else - a change in govt is simply a change of clowns in the same circus. * Bit worried about this ,Sounds like the good ol one the left roll out, when every one can see that the every thing the labor party does turns to crap,,,,,There all the same bit ,Funny i dont recal Howard wasting so much money?do you? I don't care what their religion, race or whatever - I do so. What I do detest is bullies, *Well done Son,you have tossed in the racist bit ,But non of us are racist at all The one thing I will say, is that if you both are an example of the intelligence or integrity of supporters of the Liberal Party, then God help them. I've had my fun here - *We cant be any worse than some of the ding bats Joolias team have tossed up
LouBensonie said: If it goes to help those having difficulties and of course rebuilding then I am ok with paying it. I do hope that the money is used quickly and promptly and efficiently.
Chockylover said: Not made up facts to suit your rant .....from Cob Thanks Cob - I appreciate your advice, but I'm not sure what you mean by facts I've made up. perhaps you could detail them here? Here are some actual facts for you. I am self employed. I pay enough in tax each year to pay for roughly 10 age pensions. I don't complain, since the more money I make, the more I have to pay tax.
ElizabethFred said: On rough calculations, you are paying $150,000 per year in tax - and you are spending so much time on this forum - yeah, sure pull the other one. What was that term for "over exaggeration" again ???
You have got to be joking. Now I HAVE lost all faith in this rediculous bloody government! And Gillard the backstabbing cow. Can u believe this? The mentality toward uninsured home owners in Queensland is "well, no insurance, your have yourself to blame". YET! The Queensland government is the only major state economy that DOESNT have a comprehensive insurance policy to protect their assets exposes in the face of a natural disaster. NSW, Vic, WA, even us here in SA for god sake all pay million of dollars in premiums a year to international insurance companies to protect our infrastructure! Queensland relies on a deal stuck with the commonwealth to pick up 75% of the recovery costs following a natural distaster. And WHO foots that bill now? we bloody do! Disgraceful! Wonder what Julia would say to THAT questioning!
Well said TBK ,Labor are all the same when you peel away the spin & lies.
Wonder how long ago that deal was signed up. The current government should of reviewed that! The stupid government should of made it compulsory for all state government to have comprehensive insurance to protect their assets! Not just rely on the tax payer for a bail out! :-(
Agree TBK and what about a National Disaster Fund? Cld be started with some of the $5b in the slush fund.
TalkBackKing said: Wonder how long ago that deal was signed up. The current government should of reviewed that! The stupid government should of made it compulsory for all state government to have comprehensive insurance to protect their assets! Not just rely on the tax payer for a bail out! :-(
In Darwin after Tracy, the uninsured ended up better off than the insured, will history repeat itself here? ? ? Oh & that was a LABOR government too.
Who does this woman that we unfortunately have in charge of our country think she's talking to with her cold, unfeeling and emotionless speeches? I don't know if she thought she was trying to impersonate Winson Churchill when she stated "We will rebuild from the floods, we will rebuild from the cyclone, we will rebuild from anything that nature throws at us". It sounded so much like "We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the air......". The more I see of this woman the less I like her!
Queen Joolia just admitted in parliament that the school buildings, built under BER in the cyclone prone parts of Queensland were not required to be built to withstand cyclones. Can one therefore assume that when all you good people pay your levy, it will not be used to reconstuct infastructure that is cyclone or flood proof, but to return it to how it was before the cyclone/flood. "on the cheap". Is this typical of the labor mentality, "don't worry about tomorrow, let's just look good today" ?
Either you want the levy or you dont .Why all the spin Cobb and Co ?
In training for a job at labor HQ when all the current spin doctors wear the wrap for losing the next election.
I was in favour of the levy but now that I know that the Queensland government thought they didn't need disaster insurance I believe we should loan them the money. If we give them the money as a handout how many other state governments will neglect to have disaster insurance in the future as the precedence will be set that it is the Federal governments responsibility to pay for disaster recovery. Dont forget that Brisbane did not have a record flood, whichever planning authority that said we are willing to risk that another 74 flood will never happen again.
Remember the claim that the levy was only "just a cup of coffee" for most. Well, it was highlighted that a police officer who is due to retire next year (under 60 years old) will be paying out over $5000 to the levy from his pay-out. And Queen Joolia fobbed it off in parliament yesterday. She is so much a (female dog) !!!!!
ElizabethFred said: Remember the claim that the levy was only "just a cup of coffee" for most. Well, it was highlighted that a police officer who is due to retire next year (under 60 years old) will be paying out over $5000 to the levy from his pay-out. And Queen Joolia fobbed it off in parliament yesterday. She is so much a (female dog) !!!!!
maybe all the liberal voters shouldn't pay it because they are tight arse's
freeo1973 said: maybe all the liberal voters shouldn't pay it because they are tight arse's
well a another bright spark in liberal rob you knob...your leader noddy and he has big ears ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha plenty of room for a hearing aid..or couldn't he what the channel 7 journo was saying...you dumb arse...along with chris pyne you liberal people are all pig's ...and need to live in the real world..
Why cant they use the river murray levy instead of a new levy seeing nature has done all the work . and i never ever was told or saw any results of the levy i paid anyway on the murray levy
Rob52 said: freeo1973 said: maybe all the liberal voters shouldn't pay it because they are tight arse's Well the Labor voters won't be paying it, most of them are on Centrelink! ! !
Rob52 said:
tash8497 said: Rob52 said: freeo1973 said: maybe all the liberal voters shouldn't pay it because they are tight arse's Well the Labor voters won't be paying it, most of them are on Centrelink! ! ! SHEESH ROB! broad statement!
tash8497 said:
Methinks they have probably forgotten their password, so have come back as someone else???
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freeo1973 said: blah blah...
lol ....n yet u all hand over the spundoolas .....dont give it to them!! who's first not to pay? lol
Rob52 said: tash8497 said: Rob52 said: freeo1973 said: maybe all the liberal voters shouldn't pay it because they are tight arse's Well the Labor voters won't be paying it, most of them are on Centrelink! ! ! SHEESH ROB! broad statement! True, but no broader than Freo's. I just like to stir up the looney left when they offer me a free whack like Freo did. I'm surprised I didn't get a rise out of Gran or watson. I must try harder.
Whyisitso said: Rob52 said: tash8497 said: Rob52 said: freeo1973 said: maybe all the liberal voters shouldn't pay it because they are tight arse's Well the Labor voters won't be paying it, most of them are on Centrelink! ! ! SHEESH ROB! broad statement! True, but no broader than Freo's. I just like to stir up the looney left when they offer me a free whack like Freo did. I'm surprised I didn't get a rise out of Gran or watson. I must try harder. Maybe they got tired of being ignored?
Whyisitso said:
A pencil must be lead?
a lobour person is a blue coloar worker...a person who works hard..not sits behind a desk and pushes button's all day..like a liberal voter...and sits in this state and goes oh we cant build this or build that, it might dirty my four wheel drive...boo who...with all that dust...
Back in '73 that may have been the story, Freo, but, nowadays, the labor party is so far up big business's backsides, and Liberal party has the interests of the worker, the pensioner and the disadvantaged at heart. Unfortunately, the workers still follow their unions instructions like sheep, but, one day, they will wake up. The pensioners woke up to Queen Joolia and her attempt to block their well deserved increases (noting of course that THIS state labor government is going to steal a third of it back)
Bye Bye Miss American Pie drove my chevy to the Levy but the Levy was dry, OR bye bye to the flooding levey, hope the levy will die, i hope the levy will die. Just wonder if my house was broken into would i get a levy from my family? why would a state which refused to insure themselves why should we pay for their mistake? then again we have a state which does not know how to get their bad drivers fines paid. I wonder if we should have a speed/bad driver levy to pay for unpaid fines? How pathetic a state doesnt insure itself and another state does not want to collect outstanding money, or do we need 10 or so committes on the best way to recover the money.
Have we paid this levy yet?
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