Surely this bloke must be a brother of Screaming Lord Such!!! If we all adopted his thinking, the earth would be in peril much quicker than what it is already. How can somebody say that all the population, pollution, forest cutting and animal extinctions are nothing to concern ourselves with!!

Maybe we should all revert to throwing our rubbish out the car window again.

If people are paying to hear that rubbish..then they are totally blind as well.

I tell you who would be encouraging him...the big manufacturer/polluters of the world, and there are plenty of them. I am also surprised not to see his tour not sponsored by Phillip Morris!!

Your extremely close to the mark :-)

His Lordship is a climate change skeptic.

And whilst i can't acuse him of being paid to be such.

One could be forgiven for thinking that because not so long ago there was talk that some bigwigs would pay scientists who dismissed climate change and publicly state the fact.

Not sure of the figures involved but they would want to make it worthwhile to trash someones scientific reputation.

In his case i call him the antigore.

Gore is acused of having major stakes in carbon sinks and green technology companies OOO the evil man

Whereas Lord monkey magic is the opposite every poluter wants him onboard fighting they're cause.

Quite the quandry !

Lord monkey magic is banned from quite a lot of places and his material is virtually taboo in the climate change scene.

"Co2 is plant food" correct but to much will kill humans and other living things let alone the enviromental implications yet thankfully the ppm required would be hard to achieve.

His research is flawed and he's just milking the
fact he's a big lord skeptic

is it not wise to make decisions based on both sides of a story ie an informed decision. it sounds like a lot of people within this country trust what the government is TELLING them to do. would you not want to hear both sides of an argument instead of the rubbish that is forced down our throats by our so called leaders. With a little time and this thing called the internet one can find out a lot of fors and againsts in this argument. spend some time and reseach the topic. you will find that there are just as many qualified (Phd) scientists against climate change as there are for climate change. there is too much mis-information out there to just accept the governments views on climate change. i for 1 don't want to pay $5 for a litre of milk!

Won't be long and you will be in any case regardless of the climate debate.

I also try take a fully scientific look at it from both sides but so far i tend to bellieve the damage done to this planet.

How could we not cause permanent damage?

Yes volcanoes and allsorts spew heaps of gases
but thats natural we are adding to the whole equation being the prime argument.

Yes mother nature is still doing a fantastic job at keeping us all alive.

I'll give you an example after sept11th they did a study of the USA's air quality in that short time whilst the airspace was in lockdown the air got noticeably better.

That was the only time that air got some breathing space yes yes it all goes around the globe and bla bla bla but even bejing proved the point.

All we are doing is adding figures neither side can really fathom even the teraflops would scratch they're CPU's going hmmm to many variables.

Thankfully the sea and what forrests and plant life exists are our filters but more is dissapearing
eg the amazon than is being planted.

Plus the fact the globe is huge so things tend to dissipate, deteriorate and take many forms.

Eg acid rain now try and deny the damage that's done in Europe same argument.

I tried to give him a go yesterday, I was amazed at what he said as it went against every scientific report I have ever seen as he does sound believable...
But he is right to say that reducing CO2 emmisions by 5% will not be enough...
We can't forget that he is a politician. not a scientist, if what he is doing and saying is legitimate, he would have normally been given an honourary doctrate..
He skips over the point that although the earth has only 1/3 of the CO2 that it once had because this CO2 has been locked up as hydrocarbons (oil), this does not mean that if it was released, it would not mean far reaching and catastrophic change to our environments (e.g. our coastal cities)...
I've decided to treat this guy as the politician (more than likelly we are being told spin and not the core issue) he is and not as a scientist...
Sorry Lord Monkton, but we had politicians saying that tobacco products were fine to use until the scientific evidence was that great that they could no longer deny the truth...

Plus his statement that every greenie is a "socialist terrorist" kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I guess this statement says a lot about his viewpoint and political allignment...

aussieDave said:
Plus his statement that every greenie is a "socialist terrorist" kind of put a bad taste in my mouth...
I guess this statement says a lot about his viewpoint and political allignment...

Too many dumb-asses like you folks who help the govs tax pockets so the gov can further misuse the taxpayers money. That's all gov is after and people of your kinds are helping them.

Listen properly what Lord Monckton is saying and don't put word into his mouth ("that there are no serious environmental issues?"), but there is a number of scientific evidence that the climate is not warming as it was believed and it's not the CO2 that's causing it. And don't say he's claiming that the polution is OK - he's saying that CO2 is not a polution, plants depend on its presence.
And by the way if you were looking for the objectivity and science you'd hear that he's quoting scientific papers with credentials unlike many of the UN based/supported orgs who's sources are unverified (check out the Himalayan Glaciers bungle that was the starting point of all the current false theories - google for "IPCC officials admit mistake over melting Himalayan glaciers").

Time to pull your heads out of your asses...

Righto gxl cbs typing the rest as your command of the english language is as sub standard as your understanding of science full stop.

What your forgetting every scientist and his dog in fact as LM has proven opinions are like ........... everyones got one.

Point being you can't open your mouth about something unless you actually know and as aussieDave pointed out precisely LM is not qualified to open his trap hence why he's banned in most places.

Yeh sure we can all go google up any report or commentry that proves our point.

BUT! The scientific approach is to have conclusive proof !

Thats where either side struggles but current logic is extremely plausable at this stage.

Finish your science and physics and spend a bit more time on the planet and then open your immature naive mouth !

Actually another thing just dawned on me.

Al gore also is not qualified hence why i can see the other sides argument to.

Ha Ha and this is where it gets interesting !

Fact of the matter being Al Gore is far more credible due to a number of factors dear child.

One he was a vice president and president elect lets not forget.

Furthermore he has met and had lengthy discussions with credible scientists figures of states especially from affected regions.

Your narrow banded outlook is amusing gxl.

Unlike you or me gxl Al Gore is arguably a man of the world who'm i have the upmost respect for even if the critics were right.

WCS with Gore if he's wrong !
We laugh and live happily ever after.
If he's correct and we're seeing it daily on the news.

We're in big trouble and if we choose to ignore it like we've done for to long we shall pay the ultimate price.

Is that a gamble worth taking ?

Weather patterns are all over the place islands are disappearing the carbon tax is an insurance policy for the govt's current and future in case we get taken to court Uhhh and genious watch the news.

What countries are currently in onternational courts pleading they're case for compensation?

Look at the big picture it's not always in printed form for you to google.

^Farout erata city on my behalf lol really belted that one out thanks anonymous for the tip.

Important note to consider... Al Gore won't debate Lord Monckton.... Listen and listen carefully, some of you have been made a fool of. So just take it like a man.... You have lost the argument. Global warming is not as bad as it seems.
scienceandpublicpolicy.org/

Lord speaks the best wisdom I've heard for a long time.
I may also ask the thread intitiator who allege lord sponsoring throwing rubbish through the window.
When I saw someone doing it, there is no authority in SA having power even to tell offenders that it is wrong. Therefore it is legal in Adelaide to throw pizza and cola containers through the car window.
I am sure that the thread author does not cycle daily to work but drives a 1000 or 2000 kg car.
I suspect that author does not grow own vegetables.
I am sure that author does turn head away from street lamps fully on 24/7 around Adelaide in their hundreds and thousands. notonevoice.wordpress.com/
Rann and all Adelaidians save energy and climate with turning street lamps permanently.

I've got to say that I have to I( have to disagree with the last 2 responses....
Firstly Lord Monkton is a politician that is why his website is called scienceandpolicy.com...
Not science.com I must say that after listening to him and giving him a fair go I think it is more about policy and highlighting isolated facts and less about looking at things from a wholistic scientific view...
Secondly no one disputes that CO2 is NOT polution, it is just that Lord Monkton doesn't look at the fact that although CO2 is not polution and is one of the most common gases in our universe he neglects to tell us that increased CO2 levels in our atmosphere will magnify the suns heat and change our climate. He states that we are free to free up all the CO2 in fossil fuels and as this CO2 was put there by dinosoars dieing and this won't effect our climate. THIS IS NOT THE CASE!

Secondly, he states that we have had the warmest 100 years ever recorded in the last century, with the hottest decade ever recorded being the 80's, then he turns around and says we have not had as hot a decade in the 2000's as we had in the 80's. This viewpoint is flawed as one decade is too short to measure when we are measuring something over hundreds/thousands of years.... Sure his England was cool over the past decade because the atlantic gulfstream has changed, this is a response from the earth to climate change...

Thirdly, He states that the sea level is not rising and this is the only time he quotes a reputable journal article (these are the only thing that matters in the science world as they must be approved/checked by other scientists or it is not published) stating that sea level will only rise by 6cm, this may be right at the poles, but at the same time because of centrifugal force this could be 3 metres at the equator and if you add this to a 7 metre tide and throw in a storm surge and you are in trouble. Also the CSIRO's position is that all real estate within coastal areas less than 6 metres above sea level is at risak in Australia, lets say that they are out by 75%, this would still be catastrophic to our coastal cities...
Don't be fooled, he is only telling half the facts...

Well I side with Lord Monkton. If those of the same ilk as Al Gore were so sure of what they preach, why aren't they prepared to debate the issue in an open forum on a mass media outlet, namely TV?

Lord Monkton is prepared to show his hand and lay his cards on the table whilst the doom and gloom merchants keep shying away from open debate, why is this so, can't they substantiate their arguments?

I think the thing is that it is not Lord Monkton v Al Gore, it is Lord Monkton v the entire scientific community...
There is lots of shows that show documentaries and debates about climate change...
This seems to be being turned into a battle between politicians which is not the issue, it is a battle between the scientific community and the business world...
If we allow ourselves to be led astray by these politicians we will be believing in WMD's and refugee's throwing their children overboard...

Spoton aussieDave you do your homework :-)

I'll tack a couple more random factors just to add more fuel to the fire oops lol.

Oh dear the newbies that try rattle cages you obviously have a degree in science :-)

NOT! nor are you taken seriously just like Lord Monkey magic riding round on his cloud of Co2 and Methane H4 is it? emissions

Precisely but heres the extras:

The earth is on a gradual orbit closer to the sun :-)

LM forgot to google that one he's not a fan of Sam Neil rofl

See Space DVD for details.

That and to backup my earlier statements about enviromental impact of us humans basicly that autobahn shows the amount of traffic on that dam thing now think about every single vehicle thats travelled along it no wonder they have acid rain.

Then look at the whole world with all it's emissions Uhuh yes now we're getting an idea of the scale of things.

Why don't scientists come forward on stuff they currently can't get accurate data on?

Gee i wonder that would be like docs telling you ciggies don't cause cancer Ooops history repeats boom boom

Oh crap i just thought of something no disrespect to the victims of NT terrorist attack my timing is RS.

He has done what Thomas Dolby said in his song..."Blinded you with science". He's made many start believing that we are not in any danger at all and we should just carry on as we were. Its common sense we must use to keep our world clean and stop deforestation and reduce the harmful pollution we are spewing out.

Just curious how many noticed his nonsensical statement about CO2 on that idiot Amanda's show.

Firstly he said that the the Earth was LACKING in CO2 - inferring we should do more to increase it because trees were not getting enough.

Then he said we should plant MORE trees!.

One would think, that if he actually had any sort of clue he would have realised from his own stupid statement, that planting more trees would result in less CO2 to go around for what little remaining trees that are left.

Not surprising to me at all that the idiot Amanda was totally impressed with lord monkey's stupidity - it matches hers exactly.

I think you meant to type "Lord of the Flies."
Or perhaps there is only one of them?

P.S. Don't suppose a moderator could edit the topic title? Pretty please! It'd save me some grimaces. :-)

No way WineStars Bangon :-)

And very good point Hagar i thought i was hearing things when he said that.

So yeh in that case Lord of the flies rofl that sounds funny i love it.

Well he's chasing his own tail thats funny that explains the flies also awwww TMI.

What a git seriously i think he's been watching to many NASA mars project clips.

He probably thinks that if we fill the joint up with these gases we can restart the lot rofl :-)

Clown ! All he needs is the shoes as they say rofl.

Fair dinkum how does a poli suck in so many
with a non plausable bahh i won't even entertain it as theory.

He might aswell be Tom Green or Adam Sandler making a mint from being a complete idiot.

We obviously didn't hear the same interview or I have a mental blank.
I didn't hear him say any of your opening statement about how we needn't concern ourselves with population, pollution, forest cutting and animal extinctions...
The thing I find hard to believe about any side of this story is the varying version and outcomes within one side of the camp let alone both.
Skeptics can't agree and believers can't agree.
One of the few goods I see coming out of this is finding alternative enrergy sources which is high time.
On a closing note what sort of panic and blame would global warming be copping if "The Little Ice Age" happened right now. Mainly in Europe between 1650 and 1850 roughly a massive event happened that can't be blamed on man but by gosh if it happened now all advocates would be very incorrectly blaming it on global warming.
What if something else like that is occurring now? People aren't even objective enough to consider it.
The glaciers and ice sheets have retreated far worse than this historically as have the planets temperatures varied within mans existence...

Scientists overall have lost their credibility some time ago. When money talk, than there is no room for the truth.
How about some "honest" scientists? I may ask: show me one, or that some can believe that...
The more deeply I dig the more it smells.
I am talking about Adelaide Uni, and other so called reputable unis.

Corruption, violence, stupidity and not much truth at all.

Try to find on internet the roadsafetyunofficial and read some of the facts.

Or perhaps why bother. It looks like the debate of ultra religious people from different sect. No way they agree, same here. Whenever I see/hear people talking about scientists I see them behaving like very religious people, lots of emotions and spiritualism and not much substance. More than that, often scientists behave in a very fanatical way.

Have you ever gone for a jog... What happened??? you got hot ... Then what happened??? Let me guess you started to sweat (perspire) and eventually cool down.. Could it be that the earth is a stable system, much like our own bodies ???? I think that's the basic principle that I believe in... Maybe we as human's need to learn to adjust to our changing climate when it and if it happen's..... Let's not try and go beyond the 7 day Forecast. I think we struggle enough with that..... Don't you think???

il vote for monkton,every single thing he said on his speeking night was 100%correct,if your so critical of the facts he is providing , how about stop shooting your mouth of and answer his questions,chanllange him!!of how about Gorr challange him!!!it wont happen Gorr is full of him self,disapointing how people pick on his dissability(his eyes )like the way some of you have : (,But the MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING bebate has never been a debate at all,until recently ,Strange how our left loving moron media gloss over scientists ,at the very centre of Rudds/Gorr/Obamas claim are underinvstigation for fraud,messing the numbers,lieing,but iv come to expect that the truth is some thing they dont like to tell people

cob115 said:
il vote for monkton,every single thing he said on his speeking night was 100%correct,if your so critical of the facts he is providing , how about stop shooting your mouth of and answer his questions,chanllange him!!of how about Gorr challange him!!!it wont happen Gorr is full of him self,disapointing how people pick on his dissability(his eyes )like the way some of you have : (,But the MAN MADE GLOBAL WARMING bebate has never been a debate at all,until recently ,Strange how our left loving moron media gloss over scientists ,at the very centre of Rudds/Gorr/Obamas claim are underinvstigation for fraud,messing the numbers,lieing,but iv come to expect that the truth is some thing they dont like to tell people

It looks like the earth is in serious trouble to me, we are listening to the priests of commercialism and ignoring the scientific evidence...

Do you believe in evolution as proven by scientists or in God walking around with a magic wand?

If you answer Darwin, you should be supporting scientific fact, and believe in climate change...

Lord Monkton is a priest of commercialism and is using the same methods that priests use to manipulate their followers by only looking at snippets of info and avoiding looking at the whole picture....

As a committed christian, I have read the Bible from cover to cover, this is the only way to understand the context...

i belive in science,and that is exaclty what Monkton is saying(what does it matter if he is a christian ?dont know why that even comes into it,im sure if he was a muslim and i said a comment like that i would be a racisits) ,check his facts no spin all open to debate
Gorr has been found to be lieing in his movie many many times(a movie that our left wing mates put up as being the be all and end all in the debate),the climate gate scientists have also been found out to lie and misslead us,Monkton has challanged each and EVERY ONE of them to debate the fact is they all run and hide,he has called them liers openly misleading people,Why dont they do what Rann does and sue him??il tell you why. they will lose man made global warming is a load of left wing crap